But you need to be passionate and extremely dedicated about this in order to succeed at this. I’m a Mechanical Engineering student in my first semester of my third year. However, don’t you think it would be prudent to find another job before quitting, especially in this very difficult, ultra-competitive job market? The stories always sound the same. Learn more about the role including real reviews and ratings from current Structural Engineers, common tasks and duties, how much Structural Engineers earn in your state, the skills current Employers are looking for and common education and career pathways. At. If you can get a comprehensive background, that can be golden. I eventually got a job as an industrial chemist which is where most of the chemical engineers ended up – I’ve met many along the way working as chemists like myself. Every boring meeting I attend I fantasize with retirement. Our relationship wasn’t that great anyway. Ever since when I was a kid I always watch my dad doing Construction (but he’s not a Construction worker or what) but he knows how to work in construction. The details you have to remember drive me crazy. I don’t know if it would be possible to get back into engineering at your age (I assume older than 50.) Life is too short to be stressed out all the time. Most importantly – even with all the things that I’m doing as a “slash”, I’m STILL working less hours than I did as a technical lead, and I’m much happier and healthier. What would you do if you were in Richard's position? I’m J.P., and I’m the poor sod who asked Joe about his early retirement, so blame me for this big, bucket-load of depressing misery in a post. I almost think I should just find something outside of engineering for my first job and veer into something else for a career where I could utilize my engineering skills but in a different way. Would you please tell me how do you get seasonal work or even volunteering at age 80, let alone 40 or 50? I believe in you, in each of everyone of you that you will become an engineer and you will reach your dreams and goals. Good luck! I think it’s tough to stay an individual contributor these days. Once we had a kid, I rarely worked late or weekends unless I really had to. My family actually thought that I will not graduate cos I really don’t know what I really want. There is no rule that says you cannot play cut throat right back. Learn how your comment data is processed. They trap you, too, with the sabbatical offer every seven years, which is fairly brilliant for them, since they know that the average person is done with Intel after about five, so you get a bunch of disgruntled folks. Maybe you never expected to fall into this category, ha! It gets my brain moving in ways that nothing else in my life can – maybe my perspective will change one day, but right now, I couldn’t see giving it up. 20 years later, those engineers are now mostly laid off. 1 #1: The Bewildering Bureaucracy. But IMO anyone who makes a blanket statement like the above about Intel’s culture should do a bit of self-examination. Well, it would have worked in the 90s. (I changed jobs a few times, but stayed within the same expertise until about 3 years before I retired. I just left Intel after 17 years as a design engineer. I guess you can work for the federal biology department or become a professor with an Oceanography degree. And my company also moved 20 miles further away, adding to my commute time. What are you plans? I think we choose coding/engineering because we’re talented people who want to earn a living off that. I sometimes miss programming and other stuff and would like to work again because I still want to keep my brain working and due to self worth, you know. It was feeling world upside down when your loved ones has to go up to the heavens , and leave you here on earth. Wow, SpaceX sounds like a great place to work. Do you miss arts or being creative? Very interesting.. I’m proud of you as well for what you’ve come so far. Or you need to find a really great company to work for. There are always other jobs and there is no need to keep yourself in the pressure cooker. You probably need to just hang on for a few years. If I could have stayed at this level, I probably would still be an engineer. Have you thought about something like civil or geotech? I am starting school next year going into healthcare. 1.5 years is a long gap in the resume. Honestly back then I want to become a soldier and enroll in PMA , that is my ambition in life in that time. Later I found out they wanted to make me work for it. They need to have the senior people be more productive. After being at the top of my game in software development, they had me manage the work for a team. Unfortunately, a lot of factors really turned me against it. I’ve worked across a number of industries in different geographic regions and it’s all the same. 10 years after i am pursuing fat fire…, “The guys in my level who landed the jobs weren’t necessarily the cream the crop academically but tended to be more outgoing socially and thrived in team projects. I also questioned myself last christmas of why am I still here…. My first course was Information Technology but I couldn’t see myself in that field. Any student of structural engineering has a desire to understand how structures are built and how they will react to environmental challenges like wind, earthquakes, floods and deterioration. Ernie J. Zelinski International Best-Selling Author, Innovator, and Prosperity Life Coach Author of the Bestseller “How to Retire Happy, Wild, and Free” (Over 165,000 copies sold and published in 9 languages) and the International Bestseller “The Joy of Not Working’ (Over 250,000 copies sold and published in 17 languages). However, this seems to be the only thing in my job that allows me to create on my own. I see even guys with PE licenses not getting work because they can’t manage. Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Mark Cuban, Zuckerburg. Experienced Civil/Structural Engineer with a demonstrated history of working in oil/gas and industrial industries. Step 1: Take the FE (Fundamentals of Engineering) Exam, an eight-hour test, after graduation from an accredited engineering program. I simply do not have any faith in MBA-types to achieve anything, which resembles anything more than a dog-eat-dog cage match with periodic headcount reduction exercises over the corporate spectrum. Something not so technical. We picked our careers so early in our lives and we change as we get older. This all sounds so nice and dandy but I must admit I am scared out of my brains for this big shift because of all of the time and energy I have already invested in a career thus far. Engineering is a good field, but it’s just getting more difficult everyday. I reached a high proficiency level in English over a relatively short time period. I started at DEC (anyone remember them?) Good luck! The stuff I hate most about my job is the non technical stuff. Then, when you’re looking for another job, prospective employers see your work history and think you can’t hold a job because you’re not lucky enough to have found a steady job. I feel so similar as a former ME and now stay-at-home dad. As a young engineer, strive to be a sponge and learn as much as you can about your chosen technical area. 3. Pros "Program is for users who are very much knowledge about engineering. I know so many people whose lives have fallen apart (divorce, sickness, etc) because they sold their soul to their job. So far, no errors in all those years of operations. That’s why they always try to get rid of highly paid senior people who are individual contributors. Thanks for sharing your real experience ! Anyway, life goes on. They wanted me to shift in other course. Anyway, let me know if I can answer any questions. Seems like burnout was inevitable. They agree. I have a MSEE and top grades too, but didn’t quite make $100k even though I was the lead SE on a multi-hundred million program. But I’m glad you got out because nothing is worth your health. What an interesting read. ), and am in the process of getting my real estate license. Somebody said “Stop living others’ dreams, start living yours.” And that’s exactly what I’ll do. Nobody worked extra hours unpaid anymore, and some didn’t work the 40 they charged, which is a felony. I even envy you because you really know right from the start what you really want. You have to get OT, if the clinic needs you and you have a salaried ~$90K/yr income, thus not hourly (for PAs, hourly workers have no time and a half for OT). I started working in the Marine Engineering industry and the company actually had exactly what I wanted; extensive on-the-job hands on technical training. I used to work in transportation that was a little more interesting honestly than structural but I feel like the pay was low. We’re treated like a number 100%. Well done!” “I wonder if I could get your take on something I’m working on. Magnam. These classes take up lots of my personal time with homework, assignments, projects, and labs and I feel discouraged and unhappy with it right now since I can’t really seem to fully understand this stuff even with hours of studying. I have a masters degree in Power Distribution and Control,and still can’t find a proper job. I never got to enjoy any of the engineering classes, and my GPA once dropped near the drop-out level. Sure I get to be creative through math and engineering through my work, but that pleasure only lasts a few years before the results are repetitive and anticipated. That’s too bad. Envious of the receptionist, who spends all her days on the iphone and make still make 95% of my salary. I’ve applied for promotions 3 times, but have been turned down; not that I desperately want to give up engineering and move into the mind-numbing management world, though the extra money would be nice. Computers will keep improving with or without me. If it is yes for you two, then you are also a retiree. Its a twisted world today. I think it’s pretty common. Do you enjoy it (considerably more)? There is one path I wouldn’t recommend to choose in order to have a good life and that is being a doctor. Save as much as you can and try to get some passive income rolling while you still make good money. I am in a fairly similar situation as what you mentioned; the biggest problem is dealing with politics in a sunset industry because there is no real upside of raising to management level. It is a high stress job with little flexibility and constant demand for after hours work that is not sustainable. Also, I loved debugging and working with logic analyzers. Of course I want to earn and save enough money but I want to see my kids grow when I get married and have kids. For the design of steel purlins for sheds, workshops, offices, funky industrial houses and a host of other steel structures, this manual by Lysaght is absolutely required. (Professional interpreter for an example). And still took chemical engineering. Engineering has been good to me but not easy. Hi, I really enjoyed your article. I don’t think I’m cut out to be a manager, though (I’ve only led small 3-5 person groups). There are always new engineers so the employers have more power at this point. Structural Engineering & Geomechanics: CEE101A, 101C, 180, 182 SDC (Sustainable Design & Construction) – Energy: CEE 120A, 156, 176A SDC – Management, or SDC – Structures: CEE101A, 101C, 180 SDC – Urban Systems: CEE 120A, 141A, 155. He was told this and given great reviews at his last company before they layoff a bunch of senior level folks as a cost-saving measure to prepare for selling the company, his boss didn’t even know about it until he saw him being lead out the door by security. Hopefully, it will continue for a long time. Engineers are so skillful doing very complex works, but at the same time, people with less training are doing better by being their own boss. I personally find the technical details interesting and I think that I will stay that route, and seem to be OK at leading (so far LOL!). Very interesting blog here. Good luck! They really squeeze the blood out of their workers! PA sounds like a good career too. Thanks for sharing. I am a consulting engineer specializing in structural glass for buildings, and a started my own practice two years ago. Engineering should have a big dose of creativity, which is something which is inherently chaotic and unmanageable. Not at all! If it continues ti be like that, you’re just slowly killing yourself. However, the timing just was never right. I also like volunteering for the same reason (mental challenges) and meeting new people. They probably should have trained you in it and not put you in that position. My husband and I are in a similar boat. This is why I adhere to a strict 2 year rule in the industry. Now that you’ve realized that’s the wrong choice, maybe you should consider what you’d realistically like to see yourself doing and pursue that. The workload was pretty crazy and young engineers routinely worked 50-60 hours per week. I know you are loving the time you are spending at home raising the toddler, but any thought to getting an intro job for 2-3 days a week? I am working part time right now on a retail store ( not IT ), so not to get bored. We need to plan an exit strategy. If you invest 6 more years into engineering, then you will really feel obligated to be an engineer for a long time. 2 months isn’t that long in the grand scheme of thing. Some people still love it after 20 years and that’s good for them also. It’s important to keep in mind that engineering school teaches you a methodology for solving complex problems. I started out at $36k 20 years ago! Im so happy and grateful for what I have and what Im now. While a number of factors went into the IOC’s decision to award the Games to Tokyo, the proposed National Stadium surely helped sway the jury’s decision. It’s a cautionary tale. On balance, Intel is a darn good employer. Engineers are expendable. On this particular show, they said Arduino had too many abstraction layers to be useful. The lead section does give a good introduction to the topic, so I hate to say it, but it doesn't really properly summarize the entire article which a good lead section should do. Don’t get tied down to your engineering career. The structural engineer sized that as a W6x25 steel beam because he wanted it flush in the 2x8 floor system as it is only 6.38" deep. Even so, it would mean 60 to 80 hour weeks, so I am not sure I want that, but like I said, it probably will not happen. You’ll get a big pay cut though. Needless to say, my background has helped – out mechanical engineer built an automated test fixture, and I wrote a windows based program in C# – I had one of our software engineers help me set up the IDE, but after that I went to town. In Syracuse, Carrier’s union chased the manufacturing out of state and country, but R&D remains. With my background I have a few questions I want to ask. It all just seems so meaningless to me now. I found making drawings is very boring and time consuming process and killing the fun I’m doing in calculation and analysis . I had many different technical roles in my time, but construction industry was the longest stretch by far. The paycheck was the only thing that motivated me to go to work. I absolutely hate structural engineering. Employers are too concern about the short term profitability. The career was long, I made it to Sergeant Major, and I would not have traded a minute of it for anything in the world. Or just try a different career that interest you more. I found this article through a google of “good paying jobs for former engineers.”, I studied EE. Being a structural engineer is no walk in the park or a piece of cake; one must be diligent and hardworking to master this field. HR makes it into slavery (an Israeli program manager said “engineering is modern day slavery” – too funny, it even sucks in Israel!) Lots of companies (at least in my field of software engineering) say there is a career path for engineers that don’t want to go into management. Structural engineers perform the following tasks: It’s no fun when you have a family though. I would like to graduate school and have a full time job. This leaves an unsatisfied, unfulfilled worker and a company with less profit-in other words it sucks for everyone involved. I don’t know what I’ll be doing in my 40s and 50s but I may well find myself feeling the same way you did! I don’t think it would be wise to keep this up for two more months with my current pace. What changed it for me was when I used my experience and education (Masters in business) and formed my own technical services company. I am currently 36 and may be able to retire retire at 40, but I would never do so because I like engineering too much. Money was good most of the time but I got sacked twice in 2008 and again in 2011 so I was jobless for about 1.5 years , I always hear some friend got sacked because no work or client not paying …etc . Processors gave way to microcontrollers and hardware logic gave way to FPGA’s. I read alot of motivational quotes, i watch motivational video in YouTube and it helps me alot. But at least I took courage and I know it’s gonna be worth it. Even a 20 year person would be overwhelmed working there. Unfortunately the Korean military system has no interest in giving people with a diploma a chance to stay on course. Whether your an engineer, supply chain, middle management, or even a corporate lawyer, they feel like they OWN you. I’ve just met with a friend’s son who has an associates degree (AS) in Radiology Tech (yes, it’s not even a bachelors program in biology or chemistry) and he’s already earning $55K at a Massachusetts clinic with time & half for overtime. “Why is getting a job so dumb? Remember my big brother always telling me about this major. I loved my job the first 10 years…I think all engineers do because you get better raises the first 7-10 years and don’t have a lot of responsibility or expectations placed upon you. Hopefully working for the gov’t will be lower stress and have better morale…just need to get through the next few tough fiscal years. Why is getting a job so dumb? Management usually has a bit more job protection built-in, as you said before, you’re a multiplier and should be able to oversee not just people in person, but also the outsourced individuals overseas via tele-presense doing what used to be YOUR work. So once again, why are ppl still studying engineering? Anyway, that’s just a dream. Go figure! Sometimes I feel like quitting and learning Interior designing but have not been able to come up with a plan yet. But I get told and scared by the people that how can you leave such a good amount of money that you are getting at the end of each month. Thanks for your input. Nobody in your particular industry will hire you because they’ve just laid off your peers. Im taking BSEE and I don’t really want this. It was my first choice I wanted to take up before entering college yet I didn’t because they said it was just cooking, I can learn it without taking classes. The bottom 10% also gets no raise, even if they are underpaid w/in their pay level…and they are guaranteed to get axed in the next layoff, which occurred every 2 years on average. So just keep fighting! I kept it to myself. Other jobs can seemingly be scaled – Nurse, PA, Lawyer, Accountant, Trades. All those factors led to my parents dictating me to take chemical engineering instead of accountancy. At the entry and midlevel, it was enough to excel at the technical side. In the company I work at now, they have actually had a partnership with an Indian company for a handful of years and are trying to pull back some of that work back to the US, in house. My words of wisdom to any reader here is, Beware the Big Corporation. I’m a product design engineer. You will discover that salary does in fact plateau and your value does not go up and up as you get older and more experienced. Staad is a design tool solely meant for structural engineers, focusing on structural analysis and structural design. Upper management should be the most understanding of this short term “it’s just business” mindset. I like to stay moving. Basically it’s a place no one would spend their time at. If you’re working full time and being a mom, you’ll be too tired to do anything else. I too contemplate my daughter following my footsteps. And asked for a related job internally best we can not quit his job right and... I get up I work for very thing and I find myself curious... 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